Monday, December 1, 2008

This makes me cry for the state of the hunter community

A conversation was exchanged between myself and another hunter yesterday that resulted in the comment above. Let me first say that this guy is a BM-elitist and even once put me on ignore for suggesting that MM was raid viable at 70 (and just had to get the last word in about having Silent Shot before doing the ol' /ignore). It's also very obvious he is a BC-baby - he once asked if Priest's Spirit buff was learned from a random world drop. And now it's obvious he never ran MC/BWL/AQ 40 at 60.

I was debating between sticking with my Gronnstalker's Spaulders for the 4-piece, or switching into Massive Spaulders of the Jormungar for the AP and hit (abet, less crit). The decision maker? The fact that I missed an Aimed Shot on Four Horsemen. I literally saw that one miss on Recount and felt my heart ache. There is absolutely no reason to ever miss a shot. It doesn't matter if that shot is a Tranq shot that could wipe the raid, or a Serpent Sting, or a killing blow. Every missed shot is a waste of mana, a waste of time, and a waste of effort. As Cheeky has always enforced, your most important stat is hit, and it should always be your most innate.

It's been a constant battle to convince myself trade out my BT/MH/SW gear for heroic/Naxx gear. I knew what I had, where my stats were, and what I could expect. I'm finding it difficult to wrap my mind around the new stat caps and the bombardment of gear that is being thrown at me. What is best, and what will I upgrade soon? Should I enchant this, gem that? With that one missed shot in Naxx, my fear of letting go of my T6 vanished. You're no longer on top of things, Neg, and all the past months of raiding can't get you there, so get your act together and get where you should be.

The conversation with that hunter eventually died out, mainly because he's not one to accept the lecture I so wanted to give him about the importance of hit, so I never responded to him.


Thracyyus said...

I get snubbed out of being Survival Spec so know the pain of elitist behavior. Mainly it is because people think being the one that has the most dps is what you need when it is the utility that others provide is most important. On a side note, you might want to put the shoulder's back on and re-gem everything to WoTLK gems. As that might help you just as much as the shoulder's. The 10% damagage increase for Gronn's is too nice to let go. But again this is coming from someone that never saw content that they would drop in. So take it with a grain of salt and have a great day :)

Rilgon Arcsinh said...




Neggles said...

As much as I would enjoy seeing this guy burn, I still like to think I'm the rational one in this, and do the humane thing and keep him anonymous.

He was a strong proponent of using caster pets for higher crit back in the day though. I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could figure it out from there.

Rilgon Arcsinh said...


Hey, I did some math on the caster pets too. They were better DPS, assuming they were a Wind Serpent, your crit was 37% or higher, and a few other factors.

Neggles said...

Well, isn't somebody defensive! I merely gave you a clue to his identity, nothing more.

(Though if you do want to go down that path: I like my pets alive with a mediocre crit chance than dead with a great crit chance.)

Rilgon Arcsinh said...

*shrug* Not defensive, just saying that there's naught wrong with a caster pet if done right.

And that's why you don't let it die. Duh :P

Brigwyn said...

This debate is interesting. It seems Hit is on everyone's mind of late. Not sure if it's the fact at 80 you need so much more of it than before, or something else.

Knowing your cap, and understanding where you are is key and should be intimate. But also understand that Hit isn't the end all or be all.

You need to look at the whole picture.

1 shot out of 10? a 10% miss.. Unacceptable. but 1 out of 200? .5% hmm. that's not to bad at all really. If I had to forgo 1% Hit to stack additional Crit.. I might consider it. It all depends on the trade-off imho

Neggles said...

No, no, no, no, no.

The additional crit does not make up for the missing shot(s). Nothing makes up for the missing shots.

.5% hit is terrible - you're wasting one arrow out of every stack!

And you do not know what the dice will roll - I missed one shot in a Naxx run when I was 2% below the cap - last night I missed three shots when I was .75% below the cap. Same bosses and all!

Brigwyn said...

I guess I didn't make myself clear.

We're on the same page, I'm just not wording it right.

OK.. A piece of gear drops that gives you great stats like +55 Agi and 1% Crit but you'll lose 1% Hit.

Take the gear for the +Stats and you can make up this loss of Hit by Eating something like Snapper Extreme. Then your still capped.

This is what I meant by don't let hit sway you from making gear choices when it will lower you by 1% b/c you can make that up.

So there's way to consider it. But your right, my initial response didn't indicate this to be the case.

Neggles said...

That is true, though you should try to make hit as innate as possible. What if you get battle rezed in the middle of a boss fight? You loose that foot buff.

The food for hit is more debatable, because it really is a chance occurrence that you loose it during a farmed fight and are chosen to be rezed, so I can see how it would be under consideration. As long as people don't think that being hit capped isn't priority #1, I'm happy.